[Dune-devel] GSoC

Fri Apr 26 11:44:39 CEST 2013

Hi all,

my request was sent only to the dune-devel list on purpose as it was addressed 
purely to developers. If I were a GSoC student, I would also have sent any 
eMail to both lists due to unclear regulations. All I was asking is a proper 
clarification and the current (core) develoers respecting their own rules.

It is also possible that I have different view of what this list is intended 
for. I understood that this list was for fast feed back (e.g., on commits) by 
the developers / to the developers. For lenghty discussions on specific topics 
or features we have a FlySpray (which is much more flexible for such things). 
So my feeling is that the dune at dune-project.org mailing list would be the 
proper place for most of the questions tagged GSoC.

I apologize if any GSoC student (or anyone else) misunderstood this intention. 
Any (potential) contributor is definitely welcome to the project. However, we 
have had a surprising interest in GSoC. While it is very interesting to take a 
dedicated look at these discussions, they currently obfuscate all other 
communication on our lists. This is an organizational problem caused by 
ourselves. The intention was purely to drive the discussion to one of the two 
mailing lists.

I also apologize for the slightly provoking tone of my second eMail. It was 
intended to trigger the discussion. Personally, I would have expected the 
first eMail to be sufficent.

Best,

Martin

PS: Sorry for the load of words. I hope now my intentions can no longer be 
misunderstood.

On 04/26/2013 11:00 AM, Oliver Sander wrote:
> I would like to remark that this years GSoC applicants do read this list.
> By reading those recent mails, if I were one of them I would maybe get
> the impression that I am not really welcome in the project.
> Which, for my part, is incorrect.  I do welcome newcomers that are
> interested in discussing Dune development on the dune development list.
> --
> Oliver
>
> Am 26.04.2013 10:18, schrieb Dedner, Andreas:
>> Hi.
>>
>> First: I think we should leave things as they are for this year but I do
>> agree with Martin that
>> the traffic is a bit much - though I'm sure the amount surprised everyone
>> concerned...
>>
>> For next year I would suggest considering a separate mailing list. I think
>> it actually
>> has a few advantages: one can have a welcome message for people subscribing
>> giving some
>> hints on list etiquette and answering some faqs. Furthermore it would then
>> have its own archive
>> which makes it easier (or actually possible) for people to brows the list
>> also from previous
>> years (assuming that there will be more than one appearance of DUNE at GSoc).
>>
>> Best
>> Andreas
>>
>> PS: I do not btw think that Martin should bad list etiquette - and at least
>> his reminder email
>> was effective producing 4 answers where there where none before....
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: dune-devel-bounces+a.s.dedner=warwick.ac.uk at dune-project.org
>> [dune-devel-bounces+a.s.dedner=warwick.ac.uk at dune-project.org] on behalf of
>> Markus Blatt [markus at dr-blatt.de]
>> Sent: 26 April 2013 08:33
>> To: dune-devel at dune-project.org
>> Subject: Re: [Dune-devel] GSoC
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> first of all I would like to apologize if some of my decisions annoy
>> you or others. On behalf of some aspiring GSoC students I am also
>> apologizing for posting the same or similar questions to this list and
>> other lists. I assumed that people are familiar with the netiquette. I
>> will inform people about the netiquette the next time. Seeing your
>> second email on this same topic, I am sure you can cut those being
>> unfamiliar with the netiquette some slack.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 08:41:02AM +0200, Martin Nolte wrote:
>>> Could we please keep the Summer of Code stuff from the developer
>>> mailing list?
>>> A felt 90% of all April traffic has been on that
>>> subject. In my opinion the dune mailing list (dune at dune-project.org)
>>> is more adequate to discuss these issues. Regarding the immense
>>> amount of traffic on this subject, a designated GSoC mailing list
>>> would be even better.
>>
>> I was unsure how much traffic GSoc would create. We could have
>> used a new list, but I felt that this would have been quite some
>> work and was not sure whether this is the optimal way. (I am also
>> always unsure who actually is responsible for the mailinglists.)
>>
>> The projects are supposed to be DUNE development and therefore using
>> the developer list seemed quite natural to me. To allow people to
>> filter the messages everybody was asked to use the GSoc tag. Actually,
>> this worked quite well.
>>
>> Personally, I always appreciate if I have the chance to know what is
>> going on in DUNE and who is contributing to it without having to read
>> elsewhere.
>>
>> But if other opinions differ, we can talk about it and use a dedicated
>> list next year.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Markus
>> --
>> Do you need more support with DUNE or HPC in general?
>>
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