[Dune-devel] Vote: Required CMake version 3.1 or 3.13?

[Christian Engwer]

Sorry Christoph,

if I made the impression that I was criticizing you.

It was a general comment. We currently lack a good way to make certain discussions more public, of necessary. If people are temporarily (too) busy they easily don't find the time to follow all gitlab discussions. I experience this myself from time to time. In such cases it would be good if the really important discussions somehow stock light, so that we ensure everybody is heard.

You were the unlucky person who stepped on someone's [Roberts ;-)] toes, because *we all* failed to have these situations in mind and we don't have a good procedure for this case.

So, perhaps this questions should first go to Robert... do you have a good suggestion how we should proceed on the future and make sure nobody misses an important discussions/vote?

Perhaps one last comment... If we'd have a meeting and only very few people explicitly express their opinion, I'm pretty sure we would not couldn't this as a Yes. We'd either start pushing for proper votes, or we postpone this decision.

Again this is against someone personally, we all as a group need to find ways to organizer our collaboration and these ways need to be reconsidered and discussed from time to time.

Best
Christian


Am 15. Oktober 2020 23:51:19 MESZ schrieb "Christoph Grüninger" <foss at grueninger.de>:
>Hi Christian!
>
>> For the future, I think Andreas suggestion is good to have a more
>> formal way to decide on a version bump, as a gitlab issue might go
>> unnoticed.
>
>You make it sound, as if I tried to hide my plans in a GitLab MR. I
>announced it on the mailing list [1]. The mailing list is still the
>most
>official way of communication we have (besides developer meetings). I
>hope we are still able to discuss and decide topics without a meeting.
>
>Bye
>Christoph
>
>
>[1]
>https://lists.dune-project.org/pipermail/dune-devel/2020-May/002570.html
>
>> 
>> Best
>> Christian
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 09:17:28PM +0200, Christoph Grüninger wrote:
>>> Dear fellow Dune core developers,
>>>
>>> in May I merged dune-common#200 [1] which bumped the required CMake
>>> version for Dune core modules to 3.13. Roberts want to lower this to
>>> CMake 3.10.
>>> His rationale is, that Ubuntu 18.04 LTS only ships CMake 3.10.
>>>
>>> As discussed in [1], I (and some others) want 3.12 for better Python
>>> detection support and 3.13 for an improved library handling, which
>will
>>> help us to modernize the build system (which we already started).
>>>
>>> To get more arguments and much more opinions, please have a look at
>[1].
>>>
>>> From the discussion I assume that the following people are in favor
>of 3.10:
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> In favor of 3.13 seem to be:
>>> Jö
>>> Markus
>>> Simon
>>> Christoph
>>>
>>> From the following developers I don't have a clear opinion without
>>> interpreting too much:
>>> Peter
>>> Ansgar
>>> Andreas
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